Talk:Ur-Dragon/@comment-66.84.120.187-20120618142231/@comment-250588-20120618150931

And what seems odd to me is that people only want the positive efforts to be taken into account, and disregard the negative ones... and still call it a community effort. Is it fair that a bunch of assholes hinder the effort of the rest? As much as not taking that behaviour into account would be.

If you avoid being counter-productive only because if you are you would be penalized, you don't want to help in the community effort... you are just trying not to be penalized.

In a real-world example, if you don't do something illegal because you might end in prison, you are not doing "the right thing" because you are a model citizen... you just want to avoid going to prison. That's a very different mind set that the one applyed to a "let's kill this thing as a community effoert" battle should be, and in fact in this case is.

There are assholes, they are fucking things up. There are also people doing their very best. It's just a matter of what side can do more in the end... as it should be. This is not a Call of Duty team.