Talk:Arisen/@comment-83.42.3.7-20130705043047

One could probably infer from the information given on how the cycle works that Grigori was at one point an Arisen, fought Savan as Seneschal and lost, which turned him into Dragon.

If Soul Bestowal works whenever it pleases, that means that there would be no need for Sofiah to have defeated the Dragon for Selene to take her youthful look. Then Grigori comes and defeats Dragon, releasing Sofiah's heart, 30 years or so after she had lost to Dragon herself and given up, without trading her loved one or anything at all for that matter. Selene does not age because she's still a hybrid Pawn/Human and Sofiah does age, making her look elderly as she did at the time of her death, implied to be either of sickness of old age, in any case, not violent, and not a death an Arisen could have.

Grigori goes on to survive the Everfall and confront Savan, but loses and becomes Dragon. If this were true, at least there has been one Dragon defeated between Savan and PC, the one Grigori killed. Grigori has still not been defeated, but since it is not mandatory to survive the everfall, fighting Savan, or confront him at all, the number of pre-Grigori Dragons defeated is very unclear.

Dragons grant a wish in exchange for your loved one, probably via the Seneschal, which implies that Dragonforged took the deal with Grigori (Your Arisen just wishes to be Duke, but he could wish for anything else, and it is a non canon ending) or otherwise lost, survived, and fled, acquiring the knowledge by himself and attempting to train a new Arisen to defeat the Dragon he could not. (We can't know this as death versus Dragon ends up in retry.)

Edmun is fairly clear already.

So the timeline should be, if this theory were to be true:

Savan (Ascends to Seneschal, stays there)

-Sofiah (Fights Dragon, fails, lives on/Kills Dragon, goes on to Everfall, chooses a peaceful life/Kills Dragon, doesn't go to Everfall at all)

-Grigori (Defeats Dragon, goes on to Everfall and dies there, gets turned into Dragon/Defeats Dragon, survives Everfall, loses to Savan, gets turned/Defeats Savan, Godsbanes himself)

-Dragonforged (Fights Dragon and survives/Strikes a deal)

-Duke Edmun (Strikes a deal)

-PC (Ascends to Seneschal, restarts the cycle)

Assumed that PC just gets a new Arisen to become Dragon to restart the cycle, or plain conjures a Dragon from the void of time and space because you know, he's the Maker himself right now, and assuming that someone called the Maker has God-like powers and capabilites does not seem far fetched.

If your Arisen beats some other Arisen on their NG+Boss Battle online, that defeated Arisen becomes his Dragon. If your Arisen beats your new/Same Arisen, you become his Dragon.