Talk:Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen/@comment-71.163.9.215-20130425035236/@comment-7846460-20130425131726

you can get both out of a lvl 2 bitterblack weapon there good but lvl 3 is the best by far got the lvl 3 archstaff and lvl 3 staff trying to get everything fighting daimon 2nd form right now to get them heheheh =D