Talk:Madeleine/@comment-116.203.202.135-20140923140000/@comment-3498155-20141103004826

If you don't want to use any item and don't mind a little work, just run into her at running speed. It will take multiple attempts (like 10+) but you'll know by the affinity-lowered sound, and the removal of the blush/chimes when you speak to her.

This may not work in Gran Soren though, when she's at her shop. (She seems coded to stick to her spot, you can't even pick her up.) At that point, yeah, you either need to use the effluvium, or hit her with a weapon (be prepared for the guards though, as doing that is a crime).