Talk:Arisen/@comment-37224224-20181017213501/@comment-33780977-20181018172919

I'm glad someone finally brought the issue into the light. About that there're some problems with the cycle, not about Sofia as it's a total deus ex machina.

1. The Dragon offers no peace, he grants no wishes either, you can stand and fight for your heart/Beloved or sacrifice the Beloved, ask the Dragon to leave and become an imposter dragonslayer (and automatically not worthy of meeting the Maker). Only Seneschal grants wishes. And if you fight the Dragon and lose you die as there's no way to escape the Dragon so you are so dead. And why would the Dragon spare the Arisen, to offer yet another deal?

2. This is where my problem with the Dragonforged emerges, and also with his gear, definitely ancient and predating this of Savan. I mean, the guy used a spear, weapon not in use for centuries in Granys. Though he is the Arisen created by the present Dragon, Grigori as fake ending points. Do you ppl see problem here?

2. And finally, there is our cycle. The cycle that definitely wasn't broken by Savan, as he completed it (only this way he could became the next Maker, by uscceding the former) starting another and asked the newly Arisen to complete it. So, if the cycle's on then the next Dragon must have been made from the next Arisen who got defeated by the Seneschal, cause that's what Servitude ending states. And there could be none as upon Savan's Dragon defeat all its Arisen have their hearts returned (again, fake ending). But if there was any Arisen after Savan there had to be next Dragon who created him ...and we reach the historically famous dilemma, who was first, the Dragon or the Arisen ;)

is this "another realm" really our only answer?